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[edit]Yeah, I have gotten a bit of flak for the whole Fonseca was a KGB agent, but its still true and verifiable. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 14:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Of course you dont care one way or the other, its just something you say to help you make sense of troubling information. Just because one can hope for a revolution to free a people from tyrany does not mean that the revolutionaries will do so, because as was the case with almost every "revolution" during the 20th century the individuals behind it just replaced one autocratic regime with another, like Nicaragua. Face it, the only revolution to date which has last positive impacts for freedom and liberty tool place in 1776. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 18:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well if thats the way you want to sum up the only revolution that gave this world its longest lasting model of democracy, that tells me more about you than anything else you could write. What is bad about America and its history is not unique to the American experiment: slavery, warfare against "indigenous" (didn't the FSLN try that one with the Miskitos by the way), yada yada yada; every society on earth both ancient and contemporary had these things, but none of them could replicate the success of the United States in both providing the most free, most diverse, and most prosperious society man has ever seen.
- Far from bieng minorly flawed, Che and the rest of his merry brigade were just as ruthless just and autocratic and just as murderous as anything they replaced; in short they were no better than the alternative. Except that the alternative has shown a track record of improving over time through internal changes, something "revolutionary" societies have yet to demonstrate. As I asked another contributor before, where would have rather grown up: West Germany or East Germany, South Korea or North Korea, Hong Kong or the PRC? Each of the latter had truly "revolutionary" movements overtake headed by real "revolutionaries". I am sure that what Pinochet did, he also did beleiving it was neccesary to prevent Chile from sliding into communims, after all it looks like Allende was also on the KGB's bankroll. But Pinochet did reliquish his authority and returned Chile to its prior state of a democratic country, you think Castro ever would?
- The Cold War was a bitch, but I am glad we won. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 20:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)